ISAP #24: Getting Published, Mindset Shifts, and Taking the Helm of a Leading Study Abroad Provider with Kris Holloway, CISabroad


Today on the show I'm talking with Kris Holloway, President of CISabroad. In this episode, Kris and I talk about her circuitous path to international education via the Peace Corps and community health work, plus how Kris parlayed her time in The Gambia to a book deal. 

We also discuss our different perspectives on how women step into leadership roles, imposter syndrome, mentorship in IE, and so much more. This episode is perfect for anyone curious how to step into their power, take on "the big jobs," and move mountains in an organization. 


  • Kris’s international education story

  • How Kris wrote a book about her time in the Peace Corps AND got published

  • Ways to leverage your teach abroad and/or Peace Corps experience to land a job in international education

  • The fastest and best ways to get the best recommendations and references for your job search

  • What it’s like to step into a C-suite position as a woman in the age of #metoo and Trump

  • Why Kris wanted to be vetted like any external candidate for the role of President of CISabroad

  • What you need to be learning and doing now to prepare yourself for senior leadership positions later

  • The power of an abundance mindset and saying yes more than you say now

  • How to differentiate your organization in a crowded market

  • Leaning in and out in your career and life




What's the difference between study abroad participation and study abroad administration?


Today we’re talking about the differences between participating in study abroad and administering study abroad programs. The differences can be pretty stark and obvious but they can also be very nuanced and subtle.

This happens to be one of the biggest roadblocks facing aspiring and emerging study abroad professionals: understanding the real work of study abroad advising. 

You often have a deep passion for your own experiences, you want more people to have a similar type of experience, and you’re ready to share all that advice about packing, where to travel, and maybe even how to make it more affordable, but you lack the depth and nuanced understanding of what goes on behind the curtain of making academic international experiences happen.

I think it’s important that for anyone working in IE and study abroad or wanting to launch a career in this space, to understand the primary differences between participating in international experiences vs administering international experiences.

Because if you don’t understand these differences, it’s going to be very difficult for you to understand the jobs you’re applying for and even harder for you to convince someone that you can do the job.


  • Why you must understand the primary differences between participation and administration in study abroad

  • The 8 primary differences between being a participant and a professional in study abroad

  • How you can gain the practical knowledge of building a study abroad advising system

  • Plus where I'm headed to next on my crazy year-long adventure around the world!



From Teacher to Study Abroad Director + International Ed in the Time of Trump


I’m so excited to bring you today’s episode with Angela Perryman, Director of Study Abroad at the University of Kansas. As many of you know, I’m a huge Kansas Jayhawks Men’s Basketball fan so getting to talk to Angela about two of my favorite topics: KU basketball AND study abroad...I’m done. Life goals unlocked.

Before we get into today’s interview, I just want to say thank you to everyone for all your support last week during the open enrollment for the Global Pro Institute. We have such an amazing group of new people from a broad range of backgrounds  - to recent college grads, returned Peace Corps volunteers, a few PhDs, and some career changers - getting started this week. Our first group coaching call is tonight, but the conversation inside our private community has already been incredibly engaging and thoughtful.

If you missed the enrollment or you missed my workshop on how to land your dream job in international education, don’t worry. I’ll be opening up the doors again soon and be making the workshop available on Inside Study Abroad.com as well. Watch your inbox for that. You can join the email list here. 

As I mentioned, Angela Perryman is director of study abroad at the University of Kansas. Before returning to KU as Director, Angela worked for several years as a senior administrator in the study abroad office of Colorado State University where she oversaw study abroad curriculum integration initiatives.

In this interview, I talk to Angela about how she successfully transition from an elementary and secondary school teacher to a university administrator, how she and her team at KU market study abroad to a campus community that is committed to an on-campus experience (i.e. KU Men’s Basketball), the impact of DACA changes on international programs and the broader campus community, how anyone can get a “yes” to an internship opportunity at a university office like hers, and what Angela has been doing to continually up-level her career in international ed.


  • What sparked Angela’s interest in study abroad administration
  • How to transition from teaching elementary and secondary schools to a career in study abroad in higher education
  • How to remain relatable to students with such a different study abroad experience
  • The value of working at large public research universities
  • How to advise students when competing with a deep sports culture at a university
  • Why Angela believes in transferrable skills - and which ones to focus on
  • Advise on how to get involved in a study abroad office as a student - and after graduation
  • How to get to a “yes” for an internship with a study abroad office
  • Study Abroad and the impact of new DACA guidelines on participation
  • How Angela continued to uplevel her career from coordinator to director
  • What she’s still working on growing and learning in her own career
  • Working with star athletes in study abroad and academic environments




Since 1999 ASA has been running summer, semester, J-term, academic year, and faculty-led programs in Europe and Latin America, with a unique focus on small groups. Lee Frankel, Founder and Director of ASA, told me, “When we started in 1999 I said that if we ever didn’t know the names of all our students we had grown too big”...and 19 years later he’s proud to say that they still know every one of their students’ names...and their unique challenges, interests, and driving motivation to study abroad.

Which is what makes ASA so special and stand out in a sea of huge study abroad companies.  Want to learn more and help your students become a part of this tight-knit community? Go to www.academicstudies.com or call 888-845-4ASA to learn more about their study abroad programs in Europe and Latin America. And be sure to tell them that Inside Study Abroad sent ya!